. >> now, president obama's been calling together key congressional leaders to come up with a deal to avoid a budget crisis at the good old fiscal cliff and tell us how they're going to get out of this, or not. >> i wouldn't be sitting here if i knew. i think there are a great deal of overlapping of what is required. the prb is it's not enough overlap. this fiscal cliff was last in august of 2011. it has to do with the debt ceiling. it so happens the debt ceiling will be reached on december 31, or will it? because it appears the treasury said we found a bit of extra money so maybe we can keep things going a bit longer. and it won't cause the crisis immediately, and if these tax rises and spending cuts came into effect, they could be repeeled during january. but if they weren't, the momentum that has been very painstaking pumped into the economy could be devastating. >> this morning you see stock markets in asia and europe up a bit. i think their expectation that washington will come to an agreement, i think that might be too early. i think this is still a very clear possibility that t